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Excellent article

Ironically nothing makes you feel more alienated than the shallow feeling togetherness these marketed hacks engender in people you hate.

Thanks Bert,

I know what you mean and share the hatred. I think the hatred comes from the fact that phatic comedy is inherently divisive; either you get it or you don't and on a cultural level this can become quite alienating.

This in and of itself isn't a problem, I'm quite happy being alienated, what gets my goat is that part of the agenda of modern comedy is alienating people who are knowledgeable and passionate about comedy.

When Cookd and Bombd raged at how dreadful Balls of Steel is the creators promptly turned up and said that CaB regulars were nerds who needed to have a wank.

Either you get it or you don't and, more and more, if you're someone who knows about comedy then you're not "one of us".

Comedy fans aren't the demographic for comedy any more... and that is eminently worthy of hatred.

Smashing aricle, man.

great piece!

just as easily applied over here in the States.

Thanks guys :-)

Who would the US equivalents to Long and the Boosh be? I don't pay enough attention to what goes on over there.

Stuff like Friends/Sex and the City/Dharma and Greg are pure phatic discourse but how about stand-ups?

Have you read The Nation's Favourite by Simon Garfield, Jon? It contains plenty of insights into media spin (as Radio 1 went through it's regime change), but there's one bi where CHris Evans' old PR guy says that when they were working on Don't Forget Your Toothbrush, they realised the way to make the show a success was to have 3 or 4 'moments' that could be discussed by everyone in work on Monday - it didn't matter if the rest wasn't up to scratch.

I'm a Jona rather than a Jon but no I haven't read that, but I will keep an eye out for it.

Frankly, that makes complete sense.

If you look at modern sketch shows you'll have that many characters and they'll repeat the same joke several times in one episode, almost as if to make sure that you remember it.

It's a really cynical way of writing. When you have your writers' meeting you know that you only need 3 or 4 decent jokes and you can take the foot off the accelerator and coast for the rest.

Comedy didn't go straight from racist to "alternative" in the 70s. What about Cook and Python? Around long before then, they were hardly about mother laws and darkies were they?

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