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May 16, 2007

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James Enge

"a regime that was mercilessly mocked for saying, quite truthfully, that if you put genre stuff out there for free then you're harming the lower end of the market."

I don't get it. How does posting stuff online harm "the low end of the market"?

Patrick Nielsen Hayden

You think the people arguing for the merits of giving away selected work on line aren't themselves at the "low end of the paid SF market"? Jo Walton ("papersky" on Livejournal) will be very surprised to hear this, I think.

On a different subject, I was on that panel at the Nebulas, and I don't recall anyone suggesting that there shouldn't be genre or bookstore category called SF. Perhaps you've discerned this as a second-order implication of something somebody said, but I don't see it.

Jonathan McCalmont

The idea is that everyone has a limited amount of time that they can spend on reading SF.

The more stuff available to fill that gap free of charge, the less money there is in SF as a whole.

The top end of the market isn't as effected by this because the top end has its loyal customers anyway. Nobody is not going to buy the next Charlie Stross because Missile Gap is available for free. However, they might think twice before buying Interzone or another outlet for smaller writers because given the choice between Interzone with people they've never heard of or Missile Gap by a known quantity, they'll go for the known quantity.

It's the same process through which immigrants drive down prices for manual labour.


Personally, I'm not really convinced by the argument as I don't think it will ultimately harm the business in the long run but I do think that it's a principled position to take and one that deserves a more thorough response than pointing and laughing.

The fact that the pointing and laughing came almost entirely from the top end of the market just underlined how distasteful I found the whole thing.

Jonathan McCalmont

Patrick -- Jo Walton is an established author who was just on the short list for a major literary award. If you honestly think that she's at the low end of the market then I seriously think you need to consider your frame of reference.

If you read the Moles piece I was responding to, you'll see that he points out that actually, the SFWA is mainly of interest to the people who have sold three pieces to Star Wars Gamer. The views that were mocked IMHO so distastefully, came from someone in an organisation mostly made up of those kinds of "professional writers". THAT's the low end of the market.

As I said, I don't buy the argument but I think that it's a position that deserves more respect and careful consideration than that displayed by the people who took it upon themselves to mock.

Patrick Nielsen Hayden

My frame of reference is very carefully considered. Jo is one of my favorite writers in the world. But if awards and critical acclaim put a writer in the "high end" of the market, Howard Waldrop would be rich.

I'm not poormouthing on Jo's behalf. She has achieved some things that other writers might well envy. But to characterize her as a commercially successful writer who "hoots and brays" at writers at the "low end" is silly.

I don't disrespect the idea that people might download Missile Gap rather than read Interzone. I might well do so myself, for the simple reason that the last Charles Stross story I read was entertaining, whereas the last issue of Interzone I read was dull. However, the question I would pose is, how is it that Charles Stross became a "known quantity" for your hypothetical choosers? Perhaps it was because evil corporate publishing tycoons beamed wrong thoughts into the brains of people who would otherwise be avidly seeking out magazines full of writers they never heard of. Alternately, there may be other reasons.

Jonathan McCalmont

Yes... people are conservative and prefer to read authors they've read before and liked rather than engage with writers that they might like even more. This is a fact about human nature as regrettable as it might well be.

The issue is whether well known authors putting out free stuff actually harms SF writing as a whole. I rather suspect that what harm it does, it repairs with the other by bringing in people who might not otherwise read such things.

However, the SFWA official who made the "technoserf" comment was clearly focusing on his constituency... the low end of the market.

This wasn't RIAA saying that free content is theft and is harming our collective culture but rather a man expressing concern about the possibility of free stuff from big writers undermining the low end of the market.

I think that given that a) his remarks clearly came from good intentions and b) his argument was not obviously insane that he was deserving of a greater degree of respect and consideration than that afforded him by the hooting and laughing of the SF community.

For the record, I adore Jo Walton's work, as I do Charlie Stross's but in the paddling pool that is genre fiction, these people are both markedly better off than the guy who gets published in Star Wars Gamer.

As I said, I'm not convinced by the argument that free stuff harms to low end of the market but I don't think it's obvious balls and I do think that pixel-stained technopeasant day did not show the genre community in its best light.

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