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July 26, 2007

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Kathryn Cramer

Online publishing, and particularly blogging, offer a real way out of the intellectual cul de sac that SF criticism can become because a well read blog will pop up in Google searches

While I complain in the Torque Vector comment section about what my audience truly wants to read, I basically agree with this sentiment. If I WANTED to talk only to the concetrated audience for SF criticism, I can do it easily. The same computer I'm writing this on is the one NYRSF is laid out on.

But for some reason, I send most of my wordage out via the web to an audience that mostly finds me via Google.

Jonathan McCalmont

I think that's true of any established blog.

Even if I don't post anything for a few days I know that I'll get a couple of hundred hits a day just by virtue of having pumped however many tens or hundreds of thousands words into this blog.

Google provides the baseline of my viewer figures with my core audience providing the melody and a "break out" post occasionally swelling the hits disproportionately.

Serdar

There's one thing that's always at a premium when people read reviews, especially involved ones: time! If you find a reviewer that you can come to trust, who has something useful and insightful to say, then you tend to stick with them. I know you're not making any converts out of the Anita Blake faithful, but that's mostly because (from what I can tell) that's not your aim: you want to make a case against books like "Harlequin", and a case for better things, and let people see why.

Most people perceive a disconnect between "what critics like" and "what I like". There's a term for that kind of disconnect: taste. Not in the sense that the critic has it and they don't (although that's debatable), but in the sense that the critic has one and has to make a case for it, while at the same time doing his best to make a case for whether or not people of other tastes will enjoy something. A lot of people confuse that with just gassing off.

Jonathan McCalmont

It's not so much taste as attention though. I think the problem isn't that critics write high-brow reviews, it's that they review books that most SF fans have barely heard of. In my experience, LKH fans were perfectly happy to argue the toss over a review they didn't like or found unfair... it's just that I don't spend my time reviewing LKH novels :-)


I'm going to make more of an effort to engage with mass market stuff for a while and see where it gets me.

and talk about FAKE YU-GI-OH CARDS! Get em while they're hot... lovely fake Yu-Gi-Oh cards!

neth

This is a great post - but what truly sets it so far above any other is using Kinky Freidman to open it.

Martin

Objectivity

1) I'm not sure I see the disconnect between subjective and authoritive, particularly given there is no such thing as an objective review. Does a reviews authority really stem from its perceived objectivity?

2) I don't see many online reviews that go "well it's just my opinion... take it or leave it" either and I don't see why they would. I certainly don't see how payment comes into this. I would suggest that the social contract you seem to believe exists between a consumer and publication is not a universally recognised one.

3) How does television - free at point of use - come into this?

4) I don't believe in in the absolute distinction between the monopoly of print media and the plurity of the internet that you seem to suggest.

5) I don't see how your description in the final paragraph - "reviewers can afford not only to let their real feelings about a book flow forth, they can also feel free to explore particular aspects of the book that interests them" - is unique to online reviewers, plenty of newspaper reviews do the same.

Martin

As a general point, you talk about "online critics" but almost all of them where or still are offline critics as well. SF critics are a niche of a niche but online critics aren't really another niche of those and when an SF critic says, online, that they haven't seen much about the Bova they mean anywhere. This does tie into your point that reviewers don't review what readers read but that is the way it has to be.

Jonathan McCalmont

1) No, but if you read reactions to reviews that people disagree with one of the first arguments you'll see is that said reviewer was "biased" and not "objective". A review's authority does not stem from its objectivity but a lot of people seem to think that objectivity should be the goal of reviewing, even though that goal is unattainable and, in my opinion, undesirable.


2) My point is that if the audience is paying for access to a review, it seems somehow disingenuous to suggest that said review should only be taken in association with other reviews available elsewhere. I think that the need for a review to be "authoritative" stems from this desire to give people their money's worth. However, in an online review there is nothing very much at all stopping someone from reading three or four reviews of a book before buying. That frees each review from the need to be authoritative. In fact, a case could probably made for there being a need for each of them to say something different.


3) It doesn't. Not everything that's free at the point of use fits this format. I'm not sure how you'd go about watching several programmes about the same thing one after the other. Though having said that... if you look at the discovery channel there are countless programmes about the Second World War and none of them feels the need to tell the entire story. They can happily focus on one tiny little bit of something.


4) Actually I suggest, at length, that a lot of online publications are built to resemble dead tree publications, so empirically, you're right. There isn't an absolute difference. My point though is that there's the possibility to explore a new medium and do something different. Besides which, I didn't argue for an absolute difference. It's still all about reading words on a page.


5) Occasionally yes. In fact, Jetse de Vries' review of Watts' Blindsight in a recent NYRSF looked at a very specific element of the book. I'm merely saying that the way online reviews are consumed makes this type of reviewing all the more desirable.


When I spoke about the relative insularity of online SF critics I wasn't implying that they were online-only beasts and I'm not sure why that would affect what I was trying to say. My point was that SF criticism is an insular world but whereas your average SF fan is never going to accidentally stumble upon an issue of NYRSF, a timely review of a popular book will be read and enjoyed by the wider SF audience even if it appears on a site dealing more with criticism than anything else.

Martin

My point is that if the audience is paying for access to a review,

I was thinking along the lines that with the majority of printed reviews that people read they aren't paying for the review itself, rather this is a side benefit of paying for something else (ie news). People do buy newspapers for the reviews - that's why I buy the Guardian on a Friday and not on a Thursday - but this doesn't strike me as the default model. That's why I think the social contract is weaker.

My point though is that there's the possibility to explore a new medium and do something different.

Sorry, I wasn't being clear in what I said. I meant that the people who have an interest in reviews will quite often have a plurality of printed reviews - daily paper, sunday paper, evening paper, free paper, general interest magazine, specialist magazine - rather than a single publication's authoritive voice. You are right that the barriers to access are lower on the internet but I think that is all it is rather than an actual shift in the way people treat reviews.

Duncan Lawie

On the subject of "objectivity", here is a genuine reader comment on a review I did last year:

'Your not supposed to bring your own morality or ethics into the reviewing of fiction. In fact, thats the whole point of a critic -- someone who gives an objective opinion based on the quality of the material, not their own personal opinion of whats right and wrong.' (
Mad Dog Summer comments )

Of course, I don't agree with the commentor, or I would not have written the review I did - the final form of which was a product of considerable editing effort.

Jason M. Robertson

Greetings Diplomat. As one of those shrill folks whining about the Titan win, I'd be very grateful if you would direct me to _any_ segment of sf fandom online or off where I can find people who think Titan was in the first tier of merit among the sf novels of 2006.

(This post's mention of the Bova kerfuffle linked and briefly mentioned in a recent Kargadan post.)

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