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Patrick H

"Like the punks that so inspired the New Wave writers, Moorcock and his ilk wanted their own scene and if that scene grew from the literary leper colony that was SF at the time then so be it."

Dude, you surely know that ain't right! If anything, the reverse is true!

Patrick H

Patrick H

But aside from that, nice work, btw.

Patrick H

Jonathan McCalmont

That is the spin the mag puts on it to be fair. Moorcock paints himself and Ballard as not really being SF people except as a means of fighting modernism so it looks a lot like they kind of hooked their star onto SF without really being SF.

The truth of the relationship between Punk, SF and the New Wave authors is obviously more complex (partly because I think early New Wave was more prog rocky than punky... the punk only came later).

But yes, kinda and thank you :-)

Patrick H

Whatever the mag says, the dates simply don't work! The New Wave began (I suppose) when MM took over New Worlds in the 60s (64, a quick web search tells me) and was going hard at it on both sides of the Atlantic by 1970. Hell, the first Iggy Pop album didn't come out til 69!

It's definitely true, though, that New Wave SF had a (not particularly strong) influence on punk rock, largely via Hawkwind, who can kind of transcended the hippy/punk thing, largely by being a gang of anti-social druggies, but I think also via Genesis P Orridge, who was a big Ballard fan, and the Cyberpunks were self-consciously aping the New Wave writers.

As Ffor JB and MM not being naturally SF, I think that's probably true depending on your view of what an SF writer is. MM came from journalism and being a jobbing writer, and to an extent SF/Fanatsy was kind of thrust upon him by what editors were looking for at the time (he started out doing Tarzan and er... that detective whose name escapes me fillers). Ballard was more of a surrealist, and I think was attracted to SF because he could indulge his passion for surrealist imagery while still selling stories. However, one might argue that the surrealist and the jobbing writer (what one might unkindly call a hack) are a part of the SF landscape whatever they try and say.

I think there's an argument that they were before their time, though. Ballard is clearly the ancestor of Pulahniuck, Self or Easton Ellis, while MM will probably be most remembered for his contributions to the endless epic fantasy genre, sadly. I think his mainstream work is quite old-fashioned, actually: the Pyat Quartet is fantastic, but it seemed very much a kind of mid-century state-of-the-west kind of novel. He doesn't seem to have moved on much from the fractured narratives of 70s Cornelius, while Ballard was writing 90s fiction for at least a decade before his younger heirs.

Ramble ramble ramble. I haven't read Interzone for years, but I might pick this issue up.

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Patrick H

Gah, Sexton Blake! Always remember this stuff seconds after pushing the "post" button.

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Jonathan McCalmont

I think you're probably right. The reason I didn't jump up and down about the "punk influenced the New Wave" line was that I wasn't sure about the later writers or possibly the American Johnny Come Latelys, but no... you're correct. New Wave is dark prog rock rather than punk. Even cyberpunk isn't that great a match despite the name.

Ballard is someone who I'd say is stuck at the moment. His last three novels have all been identical tales of bourgeois malaise turning to violence.

As for Moorcock, the short story included in this issue features a reference to von Beck, an appearance by Sexton Blake and gives off a huge whiff of the later trippier Eternal Champion stuff. If he wrote it recently then it's troubling as much like his editorial, it could have been written 30 years ago. It's good stuff though.

I'd definitely suggest taking a look at this issue. I've been really harsh about Interzone in the past but I just loved this issue.

Patrick H

"Ballard is someone who I'd say is stuck at the moment. His last three novels have all been identical tales of bourgeois malaise turning to violence."

It's true, but he is a million years old or so. He may well have done his dash, if he'd stopped at Crash, High Rise and... er... the other one, he would have been an Important Writer, but half a decade later we got Empire of the Sun and a decade after that Cocaine Nights. It's all cream!

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Jonathan McCalmont

The age of the people invoked by Moorcock was definitely one of the things that I found most comical. Given the choice to write about anything SF related, Moorcock chose to vent his spleen about him and Jimmie Ballard taking on Thatcher's forces of Monetarism.

As Uncle Monty once said, there is little left now except vintage wine and memories.

Having said that, I absolutely adore Cocaine Nights. I re-read it every 3 or 4 years and enjoy it every time. Super Cannes was terrible though as it was not only the exact same idea it was practically the same setting and featured a remarkably similar cast of characters.

Patrick H

Yeah, I haven't bothered with Millennium People (or whatever it was called).

And MM does cling to his old resentments. A large part of the Pyat Books is pissing and groaning about the gentrification of Notting Hill twenty-five years after it's a done deal. (Still heartily recommend them, a million billion times better than the latest Eternal Champion pot-boiler du jour.)(Although I quite liked one of the recent Elric numbers, though I forget what it's called.)

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Paul Raven

As flattering as it is to find you believe I could have had any noticable effect on the reviews section in such a short time, I must point out that I'm not yet completely in the driving seat yet, and the reviews in this issue were organised and edited by Sandy Auden, an exceptionally capable and lovely lady whose shoes I am desperately nervous about failing to fill.

But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that the reviewers are well-known and respected - they're all smart people with a good weight of knowledge and insight behind them, and that's what makes the section work. It is not my intent to fiddle with anything until I'm well and truly settled into the routine (which is a fair lump of work, I might add), working on the old adage that if it isn't broken, it doesn't need fixing. I've been left a legacy of great quality, and I'm not going to so much as lift the bonnet until I know every tiny noise the engine makes.

Jonathan McCalmont

That's a very diplomatic response Paul ;-)

I was just struck by how at odds this issue was with the slightly bland feel of a lot of the issues I had when I subscribed. I was also floored by how at odds this issue was with the admittedly defensive posturing we got in April.

In April it was all "we want a wider audience" and "people on the internet have no attention span" and now it's Bill Burroughs, modernism, monetarism and jokes about Joseph of Aremathea being a nutter.

It wasn't just that the tight focus got rid of the slightly piece-meal and bland feel that I find the magazine suffers from, it was just how unashamedly literary it was!

Great work though... now keep to that standard for the next 25 years and there shouldn't be a problem ;-)

Tony Lee

Thanks for mentioning my new IZ column, Jonathan.

Jonathan McCalmont

No problem chief... I enjoyed it.

brian

Nice,
I have gone through your article it is quiet impressive. by following some book review formats we will get good books to read.

Tony Williams

An interesting review - particularly since I have posted my own review on my blog (http://sciencefictionfantasy.blogspot.com/2007/07/interzone-211.html ).

It just goes to show how opinions differ!

Jonathan McCalmont

Hi Tony :-) Yes... it's certainly interesting that you would love Knowledge. I really did think that that was by far the least interesting piece in the magazine. However, I wasn't hugely thrilled with Moorcock's short story on pretty much the grounds that you suggested (too much "why it's our old friend Sexton... hello Sexton!").

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