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October 25, 2007

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liam

Not sure I agree with the comparison with men who do not want kids. Is such a relativist approach right for starters? I am 38 and have no kids. For the past two years my family have been hassling me about being childless.

This argument belongs to another age. It's a bit like watching some modern equal opportunity documentary where the director has to rely on some film clip from the 1940s showing the woman do turgid housework....clichéd and not relevant. Indeed the only time we get to be dragged into these arguments is when some hyper-sensitive media type raises the issue.

For me I am more interested in the fact that in Longsight, Manchester there are women working in sweatshop conditions for les than the minimum wage.

I suspect that feminism is of benefit only to the the middle classes.

Jonathan McCalmont

I think feminism is of benefit to all women.

I also think that feminism is like environmentalism... it's something the middle classes can buy into without actually needing to do anything and without needing to be all that well informed. It's a lifestyle.

So Woman's Hour et al do features on how some people actually choose not to have children while the real issues slip by uncommented upon. The main reason why I became so disenchanted with childfree activism was that it was never more than a human interest story for the media.

The Blair years saw tens of thousands of adults slip below the poverty line because the government wanted to help "poor children". This helping poor children frequently materialised as tax cuts and credits that extended well into what anyone would call the middle classes. So, under the guise of helping poor ickle children, Blair not only did nothing to help tens of thousands slip below the poverty line, he even increased the tax burden on them while lightening it for middle class people with kids.

but it's much easier to paint the issue as "some women don't want kids" but you couldn't possibly have a man talking about that could you?

Jacob Martin

Books like About A Boy by Nick Hornby address the male response to child rearing. Still haven't finished it, but it's a good read on the issue.

Currently I have no idea whether I could cope with child rearing, but would like to support child adoption, and may have children on my own in the future.

I support people's right to be childless, but when I am directly labelled a contributor to overpopulation for merely entertaining the notion of having kids, I feel uncomfortable. It is not so much an issue of whether people should have children or not for me, it's how people who do/do not have children treat each other for their choices. My Uncle and Aunt are childless, and they're great people who don't judge me for thinking about having children. I think one of the main hurdles of the media coverage of childless activism will be the motives for childlessness and how childless people view others who do have kids. Childless couples would be entirely likeable by most people if they did not agressively lecture people who do not yet know whether to have children or not about why having children is bad and the reasons behind their arguments.

What I don't like is how the media expects couples to have children, even if they don't want to or could not cope with having children in their lives, but at the same time, if I decided to have children, I would not want to have to defend myself for my choice, as childless couples would want the same rights.

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