« REVIEW - Ratatouille (2007) | Main | What do People Read For? »

October 23, 2007

Comments

Ian Sales

I wonder if your suggestions are not contradictory. In order to survive, magazines need as large a circulation as possible. Which means their contents must appeal to as many people as possible. Publishing edgy, shocking fiction might well alienate most of a magazine's readers - by definition, it's not "lowest common denonminator".

Perhaps all that's left is niche publishing and "long tail" readers. Perhaps all a magazine can hope for is a relatively comfortable existence in a small niche market...

Jonathan McCalmont

I don't think there's a contradiction. I'm suggesting a change of emphasis.

At the moment they're being bland so as to not alienate anyone. Now, demonstrably this does not work as a strategy. They're losing almost one in ten readers every year in some cases. I think this is because they've allowed themselves to become isolated from the larger SF community.

I think that the way forward is to integrate that community more thoroughly and get people excited again. At the moment more and more heavy SFF readers don't even bother looking at short fiction, I'm suggesting that they need to appeal to their niche audience more seeing as blandness is simply not a workable strategy any more.

Martin

Re: point one. There is also the drift into silence of Short Form.

Jonathan McCalmont

I'd be tempted to say that that could also be down to a drift away from LJ as the focus for fannish activity. I remember reading about the arrival of the Third Row and how they'd give you not just their email addresses but also their LJ handles. You wouldn't see that now I think.

but yes... there's less and less discussion of short form stuff online.

James

I'm not as pessimistic as you on points one and two. Surely Cory's point is to create an online buzz, to get people looking at reviews of SF magazines? Yes most people will be searching for how to watch lost for free online, but they might stay and read other stuff.

As for the footprint of SF blogs, I agree, it is quite small, but it only takes a link from BoingBoing or Slashdot or Digg to send things crazy for a short while.

Also "a lot of SF websites operate on very long publication schedules" is something that using bloggers could avoid.

And no, I've never been offered a review copy of a magazine (yet I have been offered all sorts of other crazy stuff).

Liam

In many ways I prefer short fiction. My introduction to SF was when I bought some short story collections as a kid.

Courting controversy and the like might work. But for me I wish the emphasis was on getting stories out and not on the method of distribution. It might be fairly straightforward for a SF expert to track down the best mag's for short fiction, but for a relative newcomer it's a nightmare. It's newcomers that are needed to keep the short story market alive.

I am probably stupid but, many SF readers have tech/science leanings so I can't see why SF stories could not find their way into tech/gaming magazines and comics and their associated blogs. Playboy did it with nudes and some of the new journo stuff so why not something similar with SF and tech publishing.

Jonathan McCalmont

James --

How often do Slashdot, BoingBoing or Digg link to something on the SF scene? it's vanishingly rare and tends to be not because of the inherent value of SF and more to do with side stuff like copyright discussions and so on. In fact, Doctorow is probably one of the younger Sf authors that engages least with the online SF scene.

Anyhow, I think it's wildly optimistic to think that a boingboing link to a review of a piece of short fiction would do much to drive sales. Firstly, you'd never get a BoingBoing link to a review and secondly I think people would then promptly go back to looking for episodes of lost.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hasn't been offered free SF mags. You'd think that would be quite easy to do too, particularly if they targeted bloggers rather than review sites. Hmmm.

Jonathan McCalmont

Liam --

Actually, I find the short fiction SF scene to be very inaccessible largely because there's no sense of the different mags having any kind of identity. In the old days you'd buy New Worlds and they'd have an agenda and you'd agree or disagree with the agenda and make the choice based on that opinion.

Now it's all of these shadowy editors that don't have much of an online presence and who make decisions almost as if they're trying to keep their magazines neutral. A neophyte on the SF scene would have NO way of distinguishing between magazines, as someone who has an interest in such matters, it's hard enough for me. I subscribed to Interzone because it's in the UK and they have Clute... beyond that it was a blind guess as to the quality of the content.

You're right about the tech people being a natural market but they've shown a complete lack of interest in us. Closest is when Wired recommends an SF novel. They're really shit that way... mind you, it's not as though I have much of an interest in gadgets, I never write about them.

I think Paul Raven was involved with a site that was trying to merge the SF and science scenes... not sure how that's working out for him.

Liam

Jonathan,

This Wikipedia entry sums up a magazine that I enjoyed as a kid:

"OMNI developed a dual personality during its life. In its early run, its high circulation (permitting payment for stories many times higher than that of other science fiction magazines), coupled with some outstanding fiction editors, allowed it to attract prominent speculative fiction writers, and it published a number of stories that have become genre classics, such as Orson Scott Card's "Unaccompanied Sonata", William Gibson's "Burning Chrome" including Johnny Mnemonic" and George R. R. Martin's "The Way of Cross and Dragon". The magazine also serialized Stephen King's novel Firestarter, and featured a short story, "The End of the Whole Mess". OMNI also brought the works of numerous painters to the attention of a large audience, such as H.R. Giger and De Es Schwertberger.
The bulk of the magazine, meanwhile, profiled science and scientists with a visionary, gonzo-style science journalism rooted in story-telling, credibility, and authorial voice. OMNI 's Q&A Interviews constituted a collective oral history of 20th-century science told by the world's greatest thinkers in areas from evolutionary biology to chaos theory to space. OMNI celebrated science with an edgy entertaining patter and irreverence. OMNI 's pro-technology orientation has been compared to the later magazine Wired."

I'd be happy for a magazine like that.

Ian Sales

When it comes to genre fiction, readers now appear to value immersion highest of all the elements of a novel. There's not much room for immersion in a short story. Perhaps it's time to bring back serialised novels...

Jonathan McCalmont

Liam --

Yes! I remember Omni. I didn't read it regularly but I remember buying an issue when they announced Star Trek Voyager. I think it was a bit like Playboy back in the old days in that it made the most of its high circulation to also have decent short stories in it. I agree I'd like to see that kind of magazine return too.

Wired does my head in as a magazine because while it frequently has interesting stories, the magazine itself is practically unreadable because of all the adverts. It seems like the mag's 50% adverts and of the 50% remaining, way too much of it is photos. Gah!

Jonathan McCalmont

Ian --

"Immersion"... that's the word I was looking for last night. I never immerse myself in a novel.

I think you could be right, I think a lot of magazines are creeping slowly towards longer stories and novelettes.

Martin

How often do Slashdot, BoingBoing or Digg link to something on the SF scene? it's vanishingly rare

Really? I quite often see SF links on BoingBoing and when I used to read Slashdot all the books they covered were either tech or SF.

Mark Pontin

'You're right about the tech people being a natural market but they've shown a complete lack of interest in us. Closest is when Wired recommends an SF novel. They're really shit that way...'

Pay attention. MIT TECHNOLOGY REVIEW has fiction in its current issue:
Greg Egan - "Steve Fever"

Bruce Sterling - "The Interoperation"

Earlier this year TECH REVIEW also published Dave Marusek's "Osama, Call Home," which F&SF has just reprinted in its latest issue as the lead story.

All these stories are substantial efforts by leading writers, taking the "edgy, non-anonymous" themes and approaches posters upthread have called for.

Jonathan McCalmont

Thanks for reminding me Mark, I was going to blog about that.

They not only do cover decent SF writers, they also make their stuff available online. I realised this because I bought the new F&SF today and, aside from the desire to break my notional cane across the back of one of the reviews in a Moliere-stylee, I did pick up that nugget of information.

Kaolin Fire

GUD Magazine is trying to enter the conversation with the life and times of a startup magazine. We're about to birth our third issue (at 2 x year), and we're trying to consider any reasonable (or potentially reasonable) way to boost circulation / word of mouth / support for our contributors / etc. :)

We've sent PDF copies of the magazine to a number of people we've found randomly "on teh intartubes" doing reviews of short fiction. And we regularly send PDF (and hard, depending) copies to the main review sites (Best SF, The Fix, SF Site, Whispers, Black Gate, NewPages, SciFi UK Review, SFRevu, Tangent ONline).

And we're honestly happy to send a PDF to anyone with an interest and some sort of following that would like to discuss the magazine (or the short stories, poetry, art) within. Dead tree copies... on a case by case basis, because we have a very small print run at the moment. But we'll definitely consider it. We know we need to "get our name out".

Kaolin Fire

Er, and you (anyone, of course) can email me at kaolin@gudmagazine.com, or editor@gudmagazine.com.

The comments to this entry are closed.