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December 11, 2007

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Serdar

Most of the negative criticisms I have heard about the movie don't center about LotR at all. They just thought the movie was busy without being interesting, that it explained everything to death (twice), and leaves off the book's original ending -- which has been postponed for a sequel that might not get made at all, given the generally lukewarm reception to the film.

I'm still curious about seeing it myself, but oddly I have not been that excited about it. Something about the premise just leaves me completely cold, and I haven't figured out what.

mhayinde

Interesting post… I didn't have any problems with the pacing of the movie, or the perceived lack of action. I did think the anti-religious sentiments of the novel were played down slightly. Although I take your point that most people who know a lot about Christianity, or have a certain level of academic education, would still understand the implications, I don't think this includes the majority of people. I for one had never heard of the word "oblation" before this book, and this post is my first encounter of its actual meaning. I felt that the atheism was much more of a suggestion, rather than a clear fact, as it is in the books, and they didn't use the word "church", which I seem to recall was used quite a lot in the first book.

But what did you make of the ending? This was where I felt the film was "toothless", since it cut short the final dramatic scenes...

AR -- They don't mention LotR but it's clear from the demand for action that LotR is the benchmark they're weighing the film against. Northern Lights contains less fights scenes than The Fellowship of the Ring therefore it only follows that any film adaptation would have less action. Less action does not make for a film that's less interesting, just a film that's less visceral.

Personally I far prefer the thoughtfulness of Northern Lights to the childish fighting of most action films.

Modupe -- I think that Northern Lights makes a lot more sense once you read the later books and part of what I did in my post was read some of what I remember from the books and some of what I remember from Neoplatonic philosophy back into the film. I think the book itself keeps a lot of stuff quite vague and it's only once you've read the later books that you work it all out. I think the film reflects this.

You might be right about the use of the word "church" though. Having said that, as I pointed out recently, Studio 60 on the Sunsent Strip never used the word Atheist despite one of the character's lack of faith being the source of a major plotline.

The anti-clericalism might be less obvious, but I think it's all still in there. Would I have liked the members of the Magisterium to be wearing dog-collars? yes but I don't think that it's fair to call the film toothless as it's arguably the most anti-clerical film hollywood has produced in immediate memory.

I didn't like the ending, it was a bit like the ending of Fellowship of the Ring when it's almost as though Frodo and Sam are about to snog each others' faces off. It was a bit shit that they didn't end the film on the down-note that the book ended on.

I don't think the film is perfect, I just think that the two main criticism levelled at it are ridiculous.

Jonathan McCalmont

Ooops, those were both mine.

Clearly the whole signing in system has now completely packed up.

Steve

Have you read John C. Wright's recent criticism about the plotting of the series? I haven't read the books, but his comments were cutting and hilarious.

Jonathan McCalmont

Just googled it now and while I agree with him that the trilogy is a bit wonky in places (book 2 is a bit off and book 3 grinds to a halt under the exposition and the ending doesn't quite work) but I'm not sure that I agree that the message misfires.

I don't think the point of His Dark Materials is that there is no God but rather that God is a spent force and we're better off without him. I agree that he's trying to have it both ways and that the story pays for it (The Preacher comic actually does a similar plotline better by showing God to be a timid, childish tyrant) but I don't think the idea that there is no God plays a big part in the series for the reasons I touched on in the article. I don't think secularism needs to argue that god doesn't exist in order to argue against religion.

mhayinde

Fair points... given that America is the most religious country in the "West" then I guess we should be grateful for what we've been given in this film! I certainly hope the negative criticism doesn't stop the next instalments getting made.

Jonathan McCalmont

Evidently part 2 has been greenlit but the first weekend box office on the golden compass was disastrous so we'll have to see how it performs in the long run.

I went to see it on Sunday night and the cinema was packed. Mind you, I think that His Dark Materials was voted like the third best book ever in that competition they had a few years ago, so this really is home turf.

franky

"Instead he constructs a fictional world where God very much exists but he argues that in such a world it would still be right to oppose religious bodies and their hideous politics."

It depends what you mean by "God". There's no evidence that a "God" in the sense of "Creator, Supreme Being" exists in Pullman's world : what we have instead is a entity who poses as a supreme being but is really nothing more than a fraud. In Pullman's world the Judeo-Christian "God" does exist but he's not a god at all, which isn't really different from a classic atheist point of view.

It may be interesting to compare "His Dark Materials" with James Morrow's "Jehovah" trilogy, which combines the existence of God (the real one) with atheism - the central idea being that we don't need God any more.

Serdar

A comment about the theism of the U.S.: I think it's one of those things where it buzzes out only when people are whipped into a moral panic about it. Most of the time people simply don't care about these things until someone on FOX TV shoves it under their noses and gives the busybodies something to scream about.

Jonathan McCalmont

I don't know about that Serdar... I know that nationalism in England follows that model. It's only when we play football or someone insults the country that people puff out their chests but in America they all attend church every weak, it's part of who they are.

However, I think stuff like gay marriage is definitely something that most people don't really give a shit bout. They're probably against it but they're not appalled and outraged about it until Fox News tells them to be.

Chris Gumn

I really enjoyed the golden compass primerily becuase of pulmens interesting views on religon (yes Im atheist) but also becuase i havent read the northern lights, the big problem with book to film convertions is readers are never satisfide with the film because a book offers so much more. It pisses me off that writers are critisised for contraversial works on religon but religous organisations can go around lying to people.

P.S Great post btw, I really enjoyed reading it (and im not much of a reader, as u can tell by my spelling....)

Jonathan McCalmont

Hi Chris,

thanks for stopping by :-) If you liked the film then I really do recommend you check out the book, even if you're not much of a reader. Pullman's views on religion are indeed fascinating.

you're also quite right, it pisses me off too that religions lie continuously but act all offended when someone calls them on it.

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