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July 30, 2008

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DBE

The only thing I disagree with in your post is your, if I understand you correctly, dismissal of there being such a thing as moral truths.

Very true, we cannot test and confirm moral propositions the way we can in science. But that's not because there aren't moral truths, in my opinion. Its because moral truths are truths directly pertaining to subjective states. You can't present a reasoned argument demonstrating the worth of love and kindness to a sociopath. One has to be able to experience them for themselves to understand.

What it comes down to is that I think there are truths about subjective states.

To give the most obvious example, I think it is a fact, not just an opinion, that being in agony is, in and of itself, a state of affairs which is intrinsically bad/undesirable/negative/lacking in value.

Of course, it gets far trickier as one tries to build up a complex moral system---but the difficulties in recognizing moral truths and communicating them does not mean they don't exist.

I am as much a moral subjectivist as you seem to be but I don't equate subjective with arbitrary. There are truths about subjective states. Its intrinsically bad to be in agony. Its intrinsically better to be a loving person than a sociopath. Its intrinsically better to be part of a community of caring individuals than a community of cutthroat egoists.

Those who oppose the idea that there can be genuine moral truths if moral subjectivism is true often compare moral opinions from the subjectivist perspective to a preference for vanilla over chocolate ice cream.

But, of course, this is just an example of a neutral preference.

There are others that are very much not neutral---our preference for happiness over heartbreak. Pleasure over agony. And, yes, getting into morality territory, social bonding over egoism.

Getting back to Card's homophobia, I think your proposal is an excellent one. And if I ever visit an SF convention where Card is speaking I'll be sure to put it into practice during the Q & A.

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