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August 07, 2008

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Jeff

You've sold me! When do we get our big budget, 10 hour Krull remake extravaganza?

One point though: the LOTR books established fantasy tropes by borrowing liberally from European (Nordic, Germanic, etc) folklore.

Snark on!

Heather

Awesome post! Rell is the man, Mr. McCalmont, but so are you!

I also think the low budget F/X make for some pretty atmospheric sets. Love that swamp scene. I can't help it--I totally bought it.

Jonathan M

Hey Jeff :-)

Agreed on the borrowed nature of Tolkien's tropes but I think it would be somewhat unfair to downplay Tolkien's role in transforming them from source material to tropes. It would be a bit like suggesting that Greg Egan's work is derivative because a lot of his ideas are taken from science journals.

Jonathan M

Hi Heather :-)

Hurrah! We'll make Krull climb that Amazon best-seller chart one copy at a time. You're also bang on about the swamp scene. Particularly the bit with the changeling. Very creepy, very atmospheric.

I sometimes think that my hostility to much epic fantasy comes from the failure of most books to live up to those kick-arse 80s sword and sorcery films.

Heather

>kick-arse 80s sword and sorcery films

There was even something about the film stock that I still like. They just have their own "look".

Mbuckingham

What On Earth are you on about? I feel your argument to be completely opinionated. Krull has some really colourful characters, but Lord of the Rings give a more emotional touch to it's characters.

You made some nice points for Krull, it's a great film, but I don't agree with anything you said against Lord of the Rings.

Lord of the Rings will remain one of the best fantasies ever!

But I do certainly recommend Krull too, it's a quaint little film!

Jonathan M

Lord of the Rings is hideously sentimental (particularly the film). Sentimentality is not the same thing as genuine emotional depth.

Haz

When I started reading this I was wondering what you were on about, but about halfway through I remembered. I saw this when I was a child, I think it was the channel Five crappy saturday afternoon movie (called that because most of them were effing dire).

I can't remember all of it, but I do remember the cyclops dying and being genuinely upset, and I also remember the giant spider and the vaguely romantic bit in the middle of that web.

I should watch it again, it'll be fun.

Also the undead army in the Lord of the Rings don't half look like the undead army in Asterix and the Twelve Tasks, and the bit with them arriving at Gondor was so cheesy I actually thought 'it's only a model'.

The fairly old ones do seem to be better than the new ones based on the really old ones in a different medium, but not necessarily better than the new ones based on the incredibly old ones from before media was invented. Yeah...

I think I better quite while I'm ahead...

Jonathan M

Hi Haz :-)

Kudos on the "it's only a model" gag. I'm totally stealing it!

mark c

"It's only a model" is from Monty Python and Holy Grail

you neglected to mention that Krull also stars Mark sodding Fowler off eastenders, whereas as Beast master has cute super-ferrets! Go go super-ferrets!

Nick

"I once punched a bloke out once for saying Hawk the Slayer was rubbish."

"Good for you."

"Yeah, thanks... But that's not the point, Tim. The point is I was defending the fantasy genre with terminal intensity, when what I should have said was 'Dad, you're right - but let's give Krull a try, and we'll discuss it later'."

Jonathan M

I'm terrified by the thought you might have quoted that from memory. Worthy reference though.

Serdar

... I love you.

Just a guy

One you forgot to add. It had Liam Neason as one of the thugs.

Don

Lord of the Rings tried to tell a huge story in the span of about 10 hours. They really should have sectioned it off into 6 movies and focused more on character development (like Star Wars).

Krull had a great storyline, but the movie was unbearably cheezy. If they remade Krull today, I bet it would be number one hit at the box office.

No Idea What You're Talking About

Until I stumbled here, I'd never heard of Krull. Your review convinced me to check it out, but I'm a long way from convinced of its superiority.
It's uncharitable to judge the films as recycling "Tolkienian tropes." All modern fantasy is touched by Tolkien's rewritten myths, they're sterotypes because they're been copied. Jackson's films can't be blamed for that.

rocker1446

I think we must all remember that Tolkien and C.S. Lewis based their writings upon Christian archetypes. Gandalf and Aslan represent Jesus Christ. Try reading the bible, focusing on Christ and His sacrifice. If you don't think it a sacrifice, please let me know what is. You speak of that which you know nothing.

Yechie

you are really board man. if this is what you have to do in life.

Elvis

LOTR is nothing but 10 hours of walking.

Nuff said.

rune basher

I think we must all remember that Tolkien and the gospel writers based their writings upon pagan archetypes. Gandalf and Jesus represent Osiris. Try reading some pagan myths, focusing on Osiris, Odin, Cu Cullain, etc. and their sacrifices. If you don't think them sacrifices, please let me know what are. You speak of that of which you know nothing.

anon

There's so many things wrong with this. You need to do more research and maybe read a book or two before you go off on some random criticism tangent. It sounds like you're comparing story lines more than you are comparing the movies themselves. Granted I feel Krull is a better movie than lotr movie trilogy, but comparing Krull to the lotr storyline is not fair. You're complaining about things like hobbit lore, bad guys, ect ect, all storyline, and the giant spider DOES have a reason for being there, if you had read the books you would have known this. To be honest, and I think we all know this deep down, Krull would not have existed if it weren't for Tokien's lotr books that he wrote well before Krull was even thought up. He is pretty much the father of fantasy. They both have great story lines, but you should be focusing on the movies themselves and not the story Tolkien created in the past. I for one do not agree with how his books were portrayed in the movies at all and do agree that krull was a better movie, but I couldn't even finish reading this crap. Its just... crap!

Jonathan M

I don't consider something as a sacrifice if that which is given up is immediately given back. That's not a sacrifice, that's lending.

rocker1446

The term sacrifice is not well understood. To sacrifice is to make something sacred....notice to root. Anytime we serve someone, we make a sacrifice. Whether that sacrifice be time, money, sweat, blood or any number of other things. Sacrifice doesn't mean to suffer, though suffering may be involved. When someone helps a little old lady with her groceries, he or she is making a sacrifice. They make sacred that time used to help the little old lady. Does it mean that they are loosing something? Yes, a little time. But they gain a whole lot more than they 'give up.' This is the nature of sacrifice. Gandalf, Aslan and many others have made various degrees of sacrifice. By the way, to make something sacred is to devote that thing to some higher purpose or being.

unbound

lmao - at the very least, please post what you are drinking when you write an insanely positive review about a highly derivative, poorly scripted fantasy flick. Point a non-fantasy geek at this film, and they'll never forgive you.

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